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drgoodspeak	Targeting artillery at second rank		Lead	[-]
Posts: 205 04/22/09 00:58:48	Tags : None I've noticed an irritation in ETW that remains from previous titles with regards to direct fire targeting (Cannon, Trebuchet, Catapult, Onagers, Bows). If I have artillery facing two ranks of enemy units, I find it impossible to get units to fire on a unit in the second rank. When targeted for fire, my firing unit will always fire on the unit in front of the targeted unit. I know that you can use area shot like exploding shot and shrapnel and target the ground near to the unit you want to fire on, but nonetheless I'm curious about this one, I've not come across or tested this yet with musket fire, but I certainly remember having the problem with previous games with artillery and archers. Has anyone else noticed this?
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maff87		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 315 04/22/09 03:23:49	Im not entirely sure i understand what you mean. Do you mean two units, say one line infantry unit being followed by another line infantry unit? Or do you mean an individual soldier in the second rank of a single unit card? Ill assume its the first scenario? Ive never come accross this, ever, and ive been playing since shogun. Whatever unit I tell the ranged unit to fire on, they will.
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Hidden Gunman		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 889 04/22/09 03:28:39	I haven't found any problem with it. But as the arty seems to spray rounds with reckless abandon like spinsters hurling confetti at a wedding, I doubt if I would notice. The beaten zone of fall of shot is so large that everyone's in danger (including your own). Edit: Haven't tested it with small arms either.
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drgoodspeak		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 205 04/22/09 03:44:46	The most common scenario where I run into it is when I'm trying to target the enemy General unit, who is static behind another static unit, "Indian Braves" for example. If their battle line is on the defensive (Rare, I know, but I have come across it from time to time), I hammer them with my artillery, either to soften them up, or to force them on the offensive. I find that if I target the General unit, the unit actually being fired on is definately the "front" unit. This is even allowing for area effect shot, I can definiately differentiate their actual target in this scenario. I wonder if it's anything to with the distance between the units, and whether there is some kind of hidden map zone or tile whereby two units are be mistakenly classed as one for the purposes of targeting? I've definately had this with artillery and archers in RTW and MTW2. I'm not cracking up, honest.....
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MunkeyBalls		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 97 04/22/09 03:47:26	I find that if I directly target the enemy ( Fire at will is disabled ) it will just randomly shoot at whatever unit it thinks it should shoot at. The only way I can really tell my artillery to shoot where I want it to is to force fire on the ground, really close to the unit. I think this is probably what your experiencing aswell.. The fire at will button doesn't seem to be working too well if you ask me.
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Gustav		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 963 04/22/09 04:14:16	I have yet to have this problem, tho most of the time when the NA are on the defensive I can't see the rest of their army (cowardly %+++* wont stand up and get shot like real men)
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Kendall88		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 614 04/22/09 09:24:48	i tend to find the art cant seem to range a stationary unit correctly, first shot is infront and then second is behind, you would think the third would hit the unit but no it hits infront or behind again.
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crisesza		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 563 04/22/09 09:50:37	drgoodspeak wrote: I've noticed an irritation in ETW that remains from previous titles with regards to direct fire targeting (Cannon, Trebuchet, Catapult, Onagers, Bows). If I have artillery facing two ranks of enemy units, I find it impossible to get units to fire on a unit in the second rank. When targeted for fire, my firing unit will always fire on the unit in front of the targeted unit. I know that you can use area shot like exploding shot and shrapnel and target the ground near to the unit you want to fire on, but nonetheless I'm curious about this one, I've not come across or tested this yet with musket fire, but I certainly remember having the problem with previous games with artillery and archers. Has anyone else noticed this? That's true, IE: when the AI deploys their artillery and in front of it several lines of infantry, you order your artillery to hit their artillery, but instead it targets the infantry that is in in front. This happened to me with mortars, didn't try with other types. Edit: The only workaround I found is to order a ground shoot, picking a ground that is very close to their second lines. It's the only way I can get it to shoot behind the first lines.
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legaldanish		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 56 04/22/09 12:48:20	Interesting, I have never noticed this, if you are using round shot with your artillery, its so inaccurate it could be that is just appears like it is targeting the wrong troops. Use round shot on mounted units, it works much better.
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JAMiAM		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 598 04/22/09 12:54:07	legaldanish wrote: Interesting, I have never noticed this, if you are using round shot with your artillery, its so inaccurate it could be that is just appears like it is targeting the wrong troops. Use round shot on mounted units, it works much better. My experience, as well, including the completely counter-intuitive aspect of superior accuracy against cavalry (fast-moving, spread out) versus line infantry (slow-moving, densely packed) targets.
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ProtoEva00		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 42 04/22/09 12:56:40	It's not as obvious as it was in medieval II, but if you select multiple units and tell them to all attack the same enemy, they will just start fireing at who ever is most convient for each unit (seems to be a bit better at directing general fire than Medieval). I find if I select each unit idividualy, and give them commands, they follow direct commands much better. Dosn't help their aim though.
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the dude abides		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 51 04/22/09 14:24:12	Heres a handy little quirk which is very useful for stationary artillery units. When fighting in the early years you only have access to a limited number of stationary field pieces and generally when placed on the field during deployment the enemy will stay out of range of your guns, however you can target the ground far behind even distant units and if the angle of inclination or fall of ground is right or even just flat (does not usually work if distant unit is standing on a hill) can fire much further that the range shown by the wedge would suggest. I've used this to great effect when destroying distant enemy held buildings which cannot be targeted normally, infact I'd say that if you pick the ground spot correctly the accuracy is much better even when the building or unit is within range. One bug I have noticed is that if you fire on the enemy and they rightly decide that they would rather charge you than stand still and be pounder (rather ineffectualy I might add!) they approach and if you have the tech researched you will naturally change to canister shot once they come into range, and then what happens, without you having fired a shot the enemy will back track as if they know whats coming and stay just out of range, whats that about - can they hear my commands or something ?? they will yo yo back and forth as I switch between Canister and round shot. It's not like it benifits them at all as they never get close enough to fire a shot.
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DarkShandi		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 394 04/22/09 14:48:11	When I target the enemy's mounted general with artyillery using round shot it works just fine. Too well because the general normally ends up dead very quickly which seems unlikely in any sort of real situation.
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Yurtle		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 115 04/22/09 15:22:30	It's not the problem where you have a number of artillery units selected and when you tell them to attack something they just shoot what they please is it? Are you telling a group to attack or all of them individually?
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bicepboy888		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 216 04/22/09 19:32:42	Just ungroup your arty. Then they will concentrate fire how you want them to. This isnt a bug, its actually really helpful. You ever wanted to order a full bayonet charge? Just group every unit you want in the charge, then, with the group selected, click on the center enemy unit, every unit in the group will attack the enemy NEAREST to them, which is a lot better than ordering every unit to charge individually. same thing with artillery, if you group them, they fire at the unit closest to them. So what you do is just group your arty so you can quick select them with a number, then when you are going to order a concentrated attack, tap the number of your arty, BUT PRESS "G" before ordering the attack, and once you order the attack, press "G" again to make em ready for quick selection again. By the way, this has been in use since RTW, and affects every unit, so thats probably why you never could concetrate your fire. hope it helps. Last Edited By: bicepboy888 04/22/09 19:42:29. Edited 2 times.
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