Possible Bug: Replenish Units

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impar		#21	[url]	[-]
Posts: 984 04/23/09 03:07:18	normandymaster wrote: impar wrote: Problem for me is that it is faster to recruit a new unit (available the next turn) than it is to replenish an already existent unit (takes two turns). Unrealistic and counter-intuitive. Actually it's not, to train a soldier took as much time wether it's to resplenish or build a regiment. It's easier to resplenish as you don't have to move troops around. Resplenishing as a big impact on the xp of your troops so it's a matter of deciding what's best for your army.... The problem of replenishements keeping the unit experience high was introduced with Rome. Previous TW games had a better experience tracking method (ie: a half two chevron unit receiving a half replenish would be a one chevron unit after the replenishement). In ETW: Having a one man (1 man) trained to replenish an unexperienced unit takes two turns (2 turns) and a full unit (160 men) takes only a turn (1 turn). Thats just wrong.
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Leatherneck918		#22	[url]	[-]
Posts: 469 04/23/09 05:22:37	Well I will say it again, at this stage of ETW it is way to easy even on VH/VH. The AI is broken and I seriously don't think CA is really going to fix it. Due to they never tried to fix the AI in MTW2, in ETW they might try to tweak it, but my guess is that they will not be able to get it working right no matter how much time we give them. So to make the game more Challanging and fun to play with a broken AI. You need to make it harder for the human player to steam role the AI. See this is the point most of you are missing about the Heal: Its too easy to keep your troops at full in enemy territiory do to the AI is way too broken. So making it to were you have to make key tatical desitions like man I have One full stack of troops that just took this provence from three enemy stacks or man I took too many losses, now I have to tatical retreat this army back past my boarder to heal them or send new replacments to them. This would help solve the Human player from steam rolling the AI every game. Come on were the hell the fun or chalange if you can play any faction and win do to stupid AI. The game is Way to Easy even my five year old has no problems fighting the AI he normaly wins the battles on VH/VH so come on were the challenge.
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normandymaster		#23	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1682 04/23/09 06:15:34	It's, like other things proposed by fans, again a way to artificially make the game more difficult. The only way to go is the AI. If A really improves it the game will be great if not ETW will be a failure not tot be played again. I'm confident that the AI will be improved, some stuffs are being fixed like the border pb; the landing pb and a lot more. I think that the patch seems promising in term of AI.
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crisesza		#24	[url]	[-]
Posts: 563 04/23/09 08:15:22	When you don't have enough funds to replenish a unit the rolling popups (during a mouseover) say that you must be able to recruit the unit locally and have enough funds in order to use the replenish feature. It's possible, however, to replenish my units anywhere including in enemy territory. Is this correct? Seems rather unrealistic that simply spending some money allow magical soldiers to show up deep in enemy territory. Per the mouseover, I would have expected healing anything more than basic units would require the army to be in the home region where the more specialized units can be created. There is no such thing as healing, the replenish button will add soldiers to complete the unit. You can still merge units if you don´t like the idea of replenishing. There is even a mod that disables that button, but I don't think that removing a functionality that has been developed to improve the gaming experience would benefit the game at all. I agree with normandymaster, it's a better AI what we need to make this game realistic.
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bicepboy888		#25	[url]	[-]
Posts: 216 04/23/09 08:33:51	So again a topic ends with "ITS TEH CRAPPY AI'S FAULT" Maybe that should be a hint for any dev's lurking in the forums? I really hope CA doesnt bail on the BAI like they did with MED2.
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alphaBeta		#26	[url]	[-]
Posts: 163 04/23/09 09:55:31	crisesza wrote: There is no such thing as healing, the replenish button will add soldiers to complete the unit. You can still merge units if you don´t like the idea of replenishing. There is even a mod that disables that button, but I don't think that removing a functionality that has been developed to improve the gaming experience would benefit the game at all. I agree with normandymaster, it's a better AI what we need to make this game realistic. Yes, I know the units aren't really "healing." But there's little incentive to combine units as you say since replenishing the existing units is an easy way to go back to full strength in two turns. Once you combine units with missing men together, there's no going back - you've reduced the max number of soldiers that particular army can have until you march in some more. For me, the main problem is that attacking and defending units replenish at the same rate. As a defender, one of your bonuses should be that you can replenish men faster than an invader. This is good for balance and realism.
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brazenmonkey		#27	[url]	[-]
Posts: 416 04/23/09 10:02:30	I don't care if the new system is realistic or not. It's just so much less of a pain in the backside than before. Jeez, in RTW where you could only retrain one unit at a time in a city you could train that particular unit in...God bless the new system I say. And the absence of instant mercenaries kinda makes it balance out a bit IMO.
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legaldanish		#28	[url]	[-]
Posts: 56 04/23/09 10:11:13	@ Leatherneck918 I'm not saying its particularly difficult either, I have conquered Persia and taking on the ottomans and I am about the same time range as your self. I just don't consider making something just take longer = more difficult, just an annoyance. I suppose if the AI would react better to my moves then this system would make more sense but since the AI is rather thick headed it would just be an annoyance. Maybe if CA included an option to have the reinforcements like this. This system of recruitment basically replaces the former merc recruitment system. Last Edited By: legaldanish 04/23/09 10:14:55. Edited 2 times.
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Dionysius the Mighty		#29	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4651 04/23/09 10:39:25 Administrator	Personally, I'd settle for replenishment taking 1 turn in your own lands, 2 turns in allied lands and being impossible in enemy lands. Would be better than being able to top your units up while deep in enemy territory. (As a house rule, I've banned myself from using the replenish button unless I am in friendly territory.)
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Leatherneck918		#30	[url]	[-]
Posts: 469 04/24/09 00:42:45	Dionysius the Mighty: I agree with that possibility. On the AI issue that some think they will fix it. I say this dont hold your breath, they never fixed the AI in MTW2 and so I have to conclude that they do not know how to fix it in MTW2 and ETW. Do to the AI goes off of codes. To fix the AI they would need to re wright the codes in the game. If they could not get it right the first time, I dont think they will get it right the second or third time. Call it a hunch, but I think were stuck with bad AI.
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normandymaster		#31	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1682 04/24/09 01:28:33	We must recognise that the AI is far better in ETW than in RTW and MTW2, CA spoke of broken feature/ bugs regarding the AI and that they fixed it so the behavior of the AI will be much improved soon. I'm confident that ETW is going to become fine in the coming weeks.
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Leatherneck918		#32	[url]	[-]
Posts: 469 04/24/09 23:06:55	normandymaster: I disagree with that statement, RTW AI was better that MTW2 and ETW. Plus it was way easier to mess around with the properties of the AI in RTW than MTW2 or ETW. Plus CA has stated they are trying to fix the Invasion part of the game for ETW, but have stated it might (AI) try an invation from time to time, not that it will once the patch comes out. Translation: We dont know how to fix it, but were trying. Meaning: They still do not know what to do to fix it. Out Come: The AI will never be fixed, it will only be tweaked with the hope of fixing the AI slightly. Total Translation: It still will not be fixed by the next patch or the following. CA stated the samethings about MTW2 AI and ETW that they were better than the previous AI in the Series. I dont know if you ever played SHOGUN or MTW1, but I will tell you this I have and the AI in both were a hell lot better than the following ones RTW/MTW2/ETW, but Like I said RTW AI is still better than MTW2 or ETW. P.S. I still have SHOGUN/MTW1/RTW/MTW2/ETW to this day. Last Edited By: Leatherneck918 04/25/09 07:59:54. Edited 1 time.
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mmurray821		#33	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2592 04/25/09 06:44:52 Administrator	I always thought the AI in most TW games were nerfed. Especially in MTW2. I always used the money cheat because I needed 40+ stacks since all my allies would declare war on me too. The AI is much better in the new patch.
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