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EJack	Ahoy, me hearties! Pirates!!		Lead	[-]
Posts: 552 05/14/09 12:05:17	Tags : None Now, I really like the idea of pirates, having occasional ships running round the carribean causing havoc adds randonness to the game. However it really irritates me when they jon together into a massive unstopable pirate fleet that would be hard to defeat even with your full navy. Is there any way to stop these pirate superfleets from forming? Or an easy way to get rid of them once they have? I don't want to kill off all pirates, but feel it would be better if they olny formed into smaller fleets or wandered on their own to try and snap up prizes. (which is more usual pirate behaviour)
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sirandrew1		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 117 05/14/09 12:06:23	Either take their bases (kills them) or your SOL. I hate when they form into giant navies as well
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Flavius Gonzo		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 19 05/14/09 12:14:42	As siran says, taking their bases is the best. That should be pretty easy to do with a half stack of units or so, though it might take a few turns. Once you've rid the world of pirate colonies, their fleet will disappear. (Be ready -- this might mean an openning or two in a trade theater too -- helpful to have some extra indiamen floating around those theaters so you can jump on the empty resources before someone else does!) I've also had some success with hit & run tactics. The pirate AI doesn't seem to repair their ships as often as other major players. So take a smaller navy to battle them. Make sure you "control the weatherguage" - e.g. position yourself upwind, and wail on them from a distance as much as you can before fleeing the battle. Repair and repeat! FWIW, the size of eary pirate navies kind of bugged me at first, but then considering that this most likely happens because a major european player was defeated and their colonial navy had nothing to do... well I guess this makes sense. Who knows, if Napoleon had wiped GB off the map, there might have been a new age of British piracy in the Americas!
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Qman.searnfootballforum		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 61 05/14/09 12:32:13	Pretty simple, send a small fleet to distract them, then land an invasion force on their homelands. You normally can wipe the pirates out quick. Also don't sell thier former lands in diplomacy, because you may see a return if they rebel from thier new owners, it was annoying to have to destroy them twice.
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EJack		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 552 05/14/09 12:54:52	I don't want to destroy them. Having occasional pirates floating around gives my pirate hunting frigate captain something to do. My Captain Spelding with his ship Revenant(captured from the french), plus his two supporting ships, should be enough to take out most wandering pirates. It just annoys me that I have to send out my 1st rate ships of the line to take out a problem that really shouldn't be there... Oh well,, hopefully they'll put it in a patch that pirates don't form fleets larger than 3 or so.
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maff87		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 315 05/14/09 12:58:07	every single post tells this poor guy how to kill off the pirates, when the said he didnt want to! what year are you in? early on it may prove a little difficult, but one you can build 4th rates you shouldnt have a problem. pirates main ships tend to be galleys, although they can capture any of course. they are no worse than any other nation, its probably best though to either make sure you sink their ships, or if you manage to capture any, add them to your own fleet and do as you wish (destroy or keep). that way they wont be returned when asking for a prize
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EJack		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 552 05/14/09 13:16:00	About 1750, I've been ignoring my navy cos no one every tries to invade the motherland (GB), now I've got 3 fully stocked stacks of pirates interfering with my trade, most of them are galleons and fluyts (which are surprisingly hard) but a couple of the stacks have some 3rd and 2nd rates in them! Guess I should of worked on my navy earlier and worked to keep down the pirate threat.
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grouchy13		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 18 05/14/09 13:20:13	playing as Britain i always start my game by eliminating the 2 pirate settlements an eight stack army built in Jamaca with bayonets researched and 2 12 pounder foot artillery can normally achieve this by 1706/8 there good settlements wih sugar plantations!
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EJack		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 552 05/14/09 13:28:44	Maybe if I take their settlements, burn down their dockyards and replace them with trading or fishing ports, then let them rebel.... should still give me pirates but hopefully they'll either have less strong ships (fluyts are proper hard) or maybe less of them. Has anyone tried something like this?
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Carrion		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 148 05/14/09 13:29:21	tbh when they are sat on a trade route it simulates them taking prizes by reduced incomes. instead of picking the ships off in fleet fights they do it automaticaly i dont mind large fleets of them as it gives me the chance to get loads of tasty prizes myself. tbh i never build smaller than a 4th rate and ive seen fleets of 10 galleons kicking around which is a bit of a PITA . trade is very important for me as im stacking up the trade zones to the max with traders and its realy bringing teh money in. each spot is now making me 1k atleast.
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Flavius Gonzo		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 19 05/14/09 13:37:00	Ejack -- not sure if that works. I think (though I'm not certain) that pirates don't generally build their fleets. They get them in two ways: 1) Capturing other factions ships 2) Inheritting them when a European nation is destroyed; all their colonial (or Indian) possetions will go pirate, including fleets.
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EJack		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 552 05/14/09 13:49:39	Who builds Fluyts then? Never seen them with any faction other than pirates, and all the pirate places in the carribean have dockyards...
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Randall Turner		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 259 05/14/09 13:52:32	UP builds fluytes, and they build them right out of their trade ports. Pirates must have galleon/fluyte build rights.
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EJack		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 552 05/14/09 13:56:23	They're both really hard ships. Are Fluyts trade ships as well? Should really go check... Last Edited By: EJack 05/14/09 14:05:21. Edited 1 time.
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Flavius Gonzo		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 19 05/14/09 13:57:34	> Pirates must have galleon/fluyte build rights. Is this the case? Or are pirates just frequently capturing galleons & fluyts? Actually, I'd love to know for sure, do pirates ever build their own ships? I've never seen it, nor have I seen them actually repair any ships.
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Phalanyxx		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 472 05/14/09 15:15:06	You guys that take the Pirate regions right as the campaign starts are ruining the overall Empire experience for yourselves. Not that I can fault you guys for doing that, CA has chosen to implement Pirates as a Faction... Which should have been done a bit different. I'd rather see them randomly spawn in certain regions like they did in Rome(rebels), then seek out and destroy or capture other ships. It's too bloody easy to capture the Pirate regions. By capturing these regions, you guys are completely wiping out Pirates from the campaign, which IMO is totally unrealistic. Try giving yourselves "house rules" and don't capture the Pirate Regions, to include the Barbary Pirates. It keeps the Pirates sailing the seven seas, and it will be a more realistic overall experience.
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Bonners		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 348 05/14/09 15:25:01	Phalanyxx wrote: You guys that take the Pirate regions right as the campaign starts are ruining the overall Empire experience for yourselves. Not that I can fault you guys for doing that, CA has chosen to implement Pirates as a Faction... Which should have been done a bit different. I'd rather see them randomly spawn in certain regions like they did in Rome(rebels), then seek out and destroy or capture other ships. It's too bloody easy to capture the Pirate regions. By capturing these regions, you guys are completely wiping out Pirates from the campaign, which IMO is totally unrealistic. Try giving yourselves "house rules" and don't capture the Pirate Regions, to include the Barbary Pirates. It keeps the Pirates sailing the seven seas, and it will be a more realistic overall experience. Kind of agree, but dont. I havent bothered taking out the pirates in my current game. Why? Because I'm having too much fun in the resulting naval battles!! I've already taken out two huge fleets, the last one giving me prize money of over 8,000 in gold I hasten to add. Now another pirate fleet has just parked its scrubbers behind all overe my trade routes, so back out we go for more fun. Taking out a fleet full of pirate galleons and fluyts is great fun. The only mistake I made was to keep all the captured ships in my early encounters. I've now been through and scuttled the lot of them, filling up my trading spaces with Indiamen instead. Why? Becuase their upkeep is miniscule in comparison to the galleons and fluyts. Realistic to have huge pirate fleets? I very much doubt it. Do I care when the battles are so manic? Not on your nelly
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Juice35		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 19 05/14/09 20:18:36	The problem with huge pirate fleets would go away if the AI didn't keep sending 1 ship fleets out to be captured. I have watched numerous countries build a ship and have it captured the moment it leaves port. This is the same for the Barbary States, nothing like them building the Spainish Armada in a few years.
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chalako		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 16 05/14/09 23:47:35	Yes, i noticed that UN ( dutch) build Fluyts and they use them as tradeships aswell.What i like to know is, can you get more trade money with Fluyts because they have 40 cannons and more crew than a normal tradeship with 12 cannons.
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Amilcar Barca		#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1045 05/15/09 00:41:29	Flavius Gonzo wrote: (...) I've also had some success with hit & run tactics. The pirate AI doesn't seem to repair their ships as often as other major players. So take a smaller navy to battle them. Make sure you "control the weatherguage" - e.g. position yourself upwind, and wail on them from a distance as much as you can before fleeing the battle. Repair and repeat! (...) Yes, that´s a very good Tactic against any superior enemy. In fact, I use it quite a lot. Against Pirates it´s especially easy, as their ships are 90% slow galleons and fluyts, so you are faster. Just attack them /even in inferiority) whit some frigates, cannon the first ships of their fleet and escape. Repeat again after repairing…
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optimate		#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 81 05/15/09 03:28:29	Flavius Gonzo wrote: > Pirates must have galleon/fluyte build rights. Is this the case? Or are pirates just frequently capturing galleons & fluyts? Actually, I'd love to know for sure, do pirates ever build their own ships? I've never seen it, nor have I seen them actually repair any ships. The Pirates of the Caribbean seem to start the game with a stack of galleons and fluyts. A year or two into the game a small stack blockaded my (French) port in the Windward Islands - as France you're one of their next door neighbours. That's all they did for the next decade or two and over time the stack added more galleons so they were obviously building them. They also had trade routes shown coming from their ports which is presumably where they got the money from, unless the AI just gifts it to them. This is all a bit silly and rather irritating. There's no point sending your fifth and sixth rate ships against them, as France your priorities will be elsewhere so you won't be able to build enough to do anything other than get blown out of the water. When 4th and 3rd rates become available then you can get rid of them but that may take a while.
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