is this being addressed? opposing faction won't retreat from siege when they're left with only cavalry units; walls and gates intact

0 Kudo

Forum Jump

Author	Comment
Sebastian Tapia	is this being addressed? opposing faction won't retreat from siege when they're left with only cavalry units; walls and gates intact		Lead	[-]
Posts: 1 03/26/07 05:49:38	Tags : cavalry, siege I was wondering if someone knew of this issue, a patch or a "mod" that would fix this most terrible situation: I am English controlling Caen with a small diverse force. Then come the French with a MUCH greater force (lots of cavalry and a few infantry) and lay siege to Caen. Next turn, they decide to attack. They bring ladders, siege tower and ram. My castle defenses burn their ram, but the ladders and siege tower arrive at my walls. I manage to easily defeat most of their infantry atop the wall. Their few units of infantry route for a bit and then attack my walls again. then come back 1 more time until only 2 infantry units are left in the field. Their numerous cavalry units of course, don't move (they're in line formation out of castle defense range) PROBLEM IS: French just stand there and won't retreat. They're hopeless since cavalry can't come in! I would expect the French to retreat from the battle (they could continue their siege thats ok) but the game will literally endlessly loop, since I shouldn't sally out and attack them (they'd obliterate me!). And after 20 minutes of endless waiting, if I try to hit escape key and select exit, I loose the castle! Most frustrating. Please help
Interact My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Invite Blocking Ignore User's Posts	Reply Quote
EvilleNight		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 236 03/26/07 06:09:04	I have not encountered this problem before. Esp with a cavalry heavy faction the Mongols. Basically you gotta destroy or route all their infantry units (rout permanantly) one that happens all the cavalry just starts turning and running. Or you can also destroy all their siege equipment. You have to sacrifice say a unit of your cavarly or infanty to kill off their infantry guys or else they'll wait till theres no tomorrow.
Interact My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Invite Blocking Ignore User's Posts	Reply Quote
spikyblackhair		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 169 03/26/07 06:11:54	You can lure the cavalry close to the walls by marching one unit of infantry out of your gates, then as soon as you see their cav start moving, pause the game and run your inf back into the castle. The cav will come close enough to be shot by your wall defenses (make sure you have your towers manned) but if you do it right they won't be able to reach the gates before they close and they will turn around and walk back to their original position, getting shot all the while. Do it enough times and they'll lose numbers to the point where they give up and leave. As a side note, you should probably play with a time limit on battles in case something like that happens. That way you can just hit the 3x speed and go do something else for a little while.
Interact My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Invite Blocking Ignore User's Posts	Reply Quote
snowman1974		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 13 03/26/07 08:40:02	I had somthing very similar to this happen to me as well. I was playing the English and the Spanish backstabed me and attacked my citadal at Toulouse(sp?). They attcacked with two seperate armies. The first army was about 400 strong, all infantry. This is the army that built the seige equipment and initaited the attack. They built one seige tower, one set of ladders, and a single ram. The second army was much larger, approx 800 (all infantry) and they built no siege equipment at all. Neither army had any artillery. I was caught off guard so my garrison was small, two units of spear milita, two archer militia, a balista, and a generals bodyguard. I figured that I was going to lose but, i intended to take as many of them with me as possible. The Spanish began by sending in the battering ram. I sent my general out to attack it and he routed the infantry unit pushing it. I had also moved my balista just out side the gates and after about three volleys from it the ram was on fire. It collapsed before the Spanish could send another unit to take it up. Now they send the ladders and the seige tower. I sent my general after the ladder unit and the ladders never made it to the walls. The seige tower did but, my balista set it on fire before any of their men made it onto my walls and it eventually collapsed. At this point the Spanish army now has no way of breaching the citadel. The smaller army that initiated the attack and brought the seige equipment DID turn and retreat at this point. But the larger amry, positioned to the west just stood there. At this point I was pretty much outnumbered 6:1. I snuck the balista around and lined it up so that it was shooting parallel to their lines and took out as many as I could until it ran out of ammo, hoping to cause enough casulties to get them to break and run. It didn't work. Eventually, I had to do what one of the previous posters suggested and send a unit out of the gates to lure the spanish into the range of my towers. I had to kill them this way to the last man. It took quite a while, even on 3X timescale. I don't know what happened but, I think maybe since the ladders were still on the field (and for some reason cannot be destroyed) the AI still techincally thought it had a way to breach the walls but, couldn't figure out how to get to the ladders. I swear I have been in this situation before and the second army DID move around and try and pick the ladders to continue the assualt on the walls. I'm guessing that in this case it just got bugged somehow. I am also guessing that it is pretty rare for this to happen.
Interact My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Invite Blocking Ignore User's Posts	Reply Quote
Mister Gosh		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 52 03/26/07 09:14:06	this happened to me several times, so I just set the game speed at 3x and went to make myself some coffee. This is indeed really annoying. Maybe snowman is right, this could be the ladders making the AI stay, thinking it's still doable. They'll have to either fix this or make ladders destroyable (which would be more coherent I guess).
Interact My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Invite Blocking Ignore User's Posts	Reply Quote
the player1		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 914 03/26/07 09:21:23	Reminds me of same problem from RTW...
Interact My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Invite Blocking Ignore User's Posts	Reply Quote
Joel Koponen		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 9 03/26/07 09:21:52	Or then that's just a clever tactic from the french.you have to sally out and kill them. :/
Interact My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Invite Blocking Ignore User's Posts	Reply Quote
Xerellets		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 227 03/26/07 16:07:02	I had the same problem. Playing as English, chopped up Italian infantry that tried to scale my walls or enter breaches. When all their infantry was dead, captured, or retreating, they still had outside crossbowmen and catapult crews -_- Too much for my skeletal troops remaining after a difficult battle. Good thing I put a time limit on battles. It might be just me but it seems that time goes faster when your troops are moving.
Interact My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Invite Blocking Ignore User's Posts	Reply Quote