New way to control troops with your allies

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kingcharlesV	New way to control troops with your allies		Lead	[-]
Posts: 580 12/11/07 14:59:46	Tags : multiplayer, cavalry, colonies, siege, trade, diplomacy what i have been missing in the total war games is when i make alliances with someone, i want to have a bigger impact on how they help me militarily. what i think they should do is when you want to help an ally you can "donate" your troops so you don't have to control them but can still help in a war effort w/o formally going to war with another faction, causing all your alliances to be messed. then you could take control of your troops at anytime so you can gain some territory or just help out your allies. But also your troops would always be easily identified for they wouldn't be able to merger w/ their own troops and they would have a unique flag. COMMENTS?
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Big Daddy 1204		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2492 12/11/07 15:07:04	Yes I think alliances need a lot of work. So far, alliances have made absolutely no difference to the game whatsoever. There's no point in even making them. You will only encourage the AI to attack you. I think alliances should involve cooperation. I think you should be able to specify a specific target, and request your ally to attack it, or they could do the same to you. This could be something like requesting a crusade in M2TW. You select a target from a list of possible options, and then request your ally to attack it. They receive a mission, like in M2TW, and have to complete it in a certain time. Other factions could then request your help in the same way. Maybe you could even request they attack a specific stack on the campaign map. There should be a lot more communication and shared planning between allies.
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yetifighter		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 368 12/12/07 08:05:34	yes, but you do have to be able to get the message if they dont help, or you give a message if you arent going to help. like you go there on your own, thinking allys will be there, and you get your butt kicked. wouldt be cool
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krellan claw		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 29 12/12/07 14:37:49	I dont think your "donate" idea is going to be included. At least in a way where you can get the troops back or benefit directly. A gifting or selling of troops (or buying) is probably a more easy implemented idea. You dont have to worry about what happens with the lent troops when you break the alliance or when the AI breaks the alliance, how you benefit from lending, how and when you can get them back(the AI wouldnt be able to replenish your troops and just use them up). Those all lead to extra rules and potential bugs. But i agree a more finer interaction with allies is required. I'd like to be able ro ask them to attack certain settlements or generals. And if they accept the deal, to stick with it for a number of rounds. Otherwise i am quite satisfied with the actual effects of an alliance. In RTW, for sure and I think in M2TW too, allied stacks counted as reinforcements for your side. I.e. if you there was an allied stack next to you and an enemy attacked, the allied stack would be AI-controlled on the battlefield. I think they even got to deploy instead of trickling in. During a siege the settlement went to whoever first laid the siege. IIRC you could betray your allies by attacking them on the battlefield and make it a real three way. I have done this in RTW a few times. In M2TW its too hard to stay allied with anyone close enough to your borders to be of any help. I think it happened a few times with fleets though. Last Edited By: krellan claw 12/12/07 14:48:40. Edited 2 times.
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Varus23		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 257 12/12/07 19:13:19	It's a nifty way to excommunicate people. I find that I can sometimes finagle the Papal Fleets or Army into an ally battle, which forces them to declare war on whoever I was fighting. Insta-Excom. Quite handy. However, I totally and fully support the ally mission idea. Just expanding the current system of missions would do it, you already GET missions from other factions actually (assassinate daddy?). Definitely a good idea. They probably wont do it though, they don't like to actually listen to us. They know we'll buy it anyway and that's all they care about.
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MrMohawk		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 534 12/24/07 07:20:13	AoE 3 allowed you to interact with your allies, it was kool when I first bought it.
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Danny88101		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 392 03/15/08 05:49:31	Who does everyone want a benevolent alliance with? Playing as Great Britain I want a pact with France, maybe even Prussia too, in order to ensure I can focus on a more exotic Empire rather than getting involved in endless Continental wars.
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strateeg325		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 151 03/15/08 08:13:18	We already discussed this sort of topic go to: diplomacy and alliance or assistance requested/provided+ honourable foe/fight topics on this topic we discussed how we could make alliances more important and also how your allie can help you more with battles.
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Saught		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 158 03/15/08 08:23:55	Empire Earth II had a cool War planning thing you could do with your allies.
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Holy Roman Ritter		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 214 03/16/08 09:43:31	Perhaps this, you can request a mission from your allies to gain favour with them, BUT if you can't fulfill their request then your alliance can be broken or something like that. And your allies can do the same, but you can pick missions like that. A loan of troops is a good idea two, and an improved system of the hate-outstanding or what on the relations tab. Here's another idea. A hatred thing of factions. Here's an example: In real time the French hated the English and back around, and the Prussians hated the Swed's due to multiple wars, and that's for every nation. These make it hard for these two factions to make deals and alliance. The hate can be switch also if the two nations have something in comman, like a comman enemy or wedding of two people.
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vikiedude		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 352 03/26/08 15:23:51	thats a good idea holy roman ritter.
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ModerSvea		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 184 03/26/08 15:27:26	In the older TW games, alliances has practically been nothing but some assurance that you wouldn't be attacked by a certain faction, and not even that allways, ive definitly been missing possibilities to ask for allied aid or something like that. I also think there should be possibilities of making "special agreements" like attacking of armies of a certain enemy on sight or something, or help me get rid of these rebels and i will help you with this, help me attack a certain city etc. Because ive definitly been missing campaign strategy, and more "lively" campaigns, in the older TW games every turn is pretty much the same.
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Summer Pudding		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 18 02/23/09 10:57:44	I hate to create a 'thread from the dead' here, but I must agree that I never felt that my medium to long term security was assured when I formed alliances in MTW2. My standard tactic was to make alliances backed up with lavish gifts to everyone who would accept them early in the game, so that when (and it invariably was when, not if) they attacked me, I would have no qualms about wiping the treacherous wretches off the page of history. I would much rather have the opportunity (alluded to in the campaign trailer) to strangle my opponents economically without firing a shot, and not have long standing alliances crumble with no explaination or warning. What is it with those hot headed Sicilians? :)
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KillerBot		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 204 02/23/09 10:59:09	ZOMBIE THREAD!!!!!! AHHH SHOOT IT IN THE HEAD!!!!! No seriously, I agree that I hope that diplomacy will be much better in Empire.
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SubaruI		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 94 02/23/09 11:14:42	in M2 alliances were almost useless, they never gave u something good, just the thought that sooner or later they will betray u and u have to destroy them. i hope its more useful here
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