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BlackHeartTheButcher	Land Sea Interaction		Lead	[-]
Posts: 10 07/18/08 00:05:48	Tags : infantry, ships I can hardly believe this hasn't been brought up before but I couldn't find a previous topic so apologies if I missed it. Anyways, I was just wondering if anyone knew anything regarding the interaction between land troops and naval fleets. Total war has naval battles, and they have land battles...why not combine them? This would add a huge amount of importance to naval fleets especially if rivers are now traversible. I think these type of battles would be a lot of fun to fight not to mention the amount of firepower a ship could unleash on groundtroops would add a whole new tactical dimension to the game. Anyone know if this is in, or if it's not agree or disagree it should be?
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Austin3dd		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 300 07/18/08 00:18:32	Has already been asked, and we don't know.
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BlackHeartTheButcher		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10 07/18/08 01:18:28	Hmm..well that's that then.
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CheeseCowCheese		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1500 07/19/08 08:35:30	I hope they dont combine them, it'll be too complicated and besides how are you meant to get a massive warship up next to the coast to even get a chance to shoot the enemies men and even if they are out further at sea they sure must be pretty innacurate. Cheese!
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ElusiveHonor		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 567 07/19/08 14:07:52	While I wouldn't necessarily like the whole Land+Sea battles. (Just too much to keep track of at once) I'd like to see some kind of ability to blow ships out of the water from land. For instance, an enemy tries to attack an enemy port, but the port is defended by a large fort.
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GinoMeano		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1116 07/19/08 14:16:00	Large batteries on land should be able to fire at ships. Warships should be able to bombard land battles near the coast(mostly structures and defenses) but only if the enemy ships have been cleared from the area.
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Seb120		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 48 07/19/08 14:26:50	i'd like to see a gametype where one army has to defend their ship while the other tries to capture or destroy it
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wedgie2007		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 636 07/19/08 17:51:48	If a land battle was fought in the nile maybe this could work, Or if the land units where fighting near a coatal fort and the naval units could be used to take out the fort to aid in the land units or something
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Dulgen		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 116 07/19/08 19:52:08	If the only thing navies can do is defend or attack ocean/sea going trade and other navy ships...well that seems underwhelming for an entirely new and hugely awesome battle system... If CA is trying to make navies more important wouldn't they give them some ability to bombard ports/coastal cities and likewise give ports the ability to defend themselves. Some smaller ships should also have the ability to go up river and drop troops off or cut off all trade up and down the river. Otherwise navies would have the same role the did in previous TW games...protecting your ports from blockade whil blockading those of your enemy which didn't do much to hurt him anyway.
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Mr WAZZ		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8 07/20/08 03:48:34	Personally I like this idea. Although it might not happen very often, I still think you should be able provide fire support to your troops if it is a battle close to water. Maybe even send reinforcements? It would be great if ships could provide support in a seige aswell, by weakening the fort/city/port's defences before the attack and/or during the seige when you attack with your ground troops.
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Joker II		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2838 07/20/08 04:10:42 Taisho	I really hope CA included the combination ! I mean, just picture this, your ships are bombarding the coastal shores after having fought a gruesome battle at sea (previous fight for instance with enemy ships). Before they set out a land party, ships start bombarding the defencive positions of your enemy. After that, they launch some slopes with units on it while on the other side, land wise, your land army is preparing to get into battle while your ships are still bombarding the defensive positions and they are being attacked by coastal defences of course. I mean, the carnage, just imagine one of those sloops getting hit LOL !!!!
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TexRoadkill		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 163 07/20/08 15:07:54	It will be lame if there isn't some type of interaction. There were many battles between ships and port guns, boats would often be sent in to take the batterys and enemy ships at port in "cutting out" manuevers.
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bigtuna90		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 307 07/20/08 17:52:24	Joker II wrote: I really hope CA included the combination ! I mean, just picture this, your ships are bombarding the coastal shores after having fought a gruesome battle at sea (previous fight for instance with enemy ships). Before they set out a land party, ships start bombarding the defencive positions of your enemy. After that, they launch some slopes with units on it while on the other side, land wise, your land army is preparing to get into battle while your ships are still bombarding the defensive positions and they are being attacked by coastal defences of course. I mean, the carnage, just imagine one of those sloops getting hit LOL !!!! I like your imagination!
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mulebob		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 255 07/20/08 18:12:40	this kind of feature i belive would mostly be used with river forts or seaside cities where troops and ships often worked together to take them. i would like to see this in the game and i made a topic a while back that was pretty large on this very subject it made alot of sugestions on how the interface can work with this
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Tasty		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 371 07/20/08 21:47:05	Im pretty sure it works like this, if you defend, your ships at dock would fire at enemys, if you attack, you must have ships which blockade the port in order for them to be part of the offensive, they may be controled by AI and either way, will not always be in range. something like that
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DJProsser	Land Sea Interaction	#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 25 03/28/09 08:30:56	Yes, it makes buying a Bombketch pointless, as their sole use was against land targets. You should be able to sail into a port and take it out. It would be a good way of crippling the enemies navy. Enter the port, land troops, destroy the facilities. cheers David Prosser
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DJProsser		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 25 05/03/09 16:45:00	This was the closest relevant topic I could find. Yesterday I was playing Russia in an ongoing campaign. The year is 1750. What do I see but British soldiers having a battle in Sweden? Britain had no adjacent territory. Yet here they were fighting a land battle with the Swedes. They won. A turn or two later, they returned to Britain. I'm sorry I don't have a screenshot. I didn't have that utility turned on. I'd previously had a lot of trouble with CTDs at the end of turns. When I resume play, I'll try using the screen shot utility in case it happens again. I do have the mod that allows 'proper naval invasions'; from 'A proper Empire'. Mabye the latest CA patch enabled it. It's allowing deletion of save games, and the money symbol on the Indiamen is different. I logged onto Steam on Saturday night. I always keep a sharp lookout on AI moves, just in case. I apologise in advance for the lack of a screenshot. cheers David Prosser
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WIC1138		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 643 05/03/09 16:50:01	Necro thread... The latest patch allows naval invasions. Here's a list on what was fixed in the patch. CRASH FIXES - Fixed crash when disbanding generals unit. - Fix for crash on trying to merge ships from port into ships next to port. - Fixed rare crash relating to boarding. - Fixed crash to do with reinforcing armies. - Fixed crash on revolution video attempting to play. - Fixed crash for double clicking on sinking ship on campaign map. - Fix for crash on merging units but moving into fort before army arrives. - Fixed several crashes related to rakes. - Fixed crashes relating to battles when running Czech or German versions of the game. - Fixed crash on moving army into region of faction player has military access and then cancelling military access. - Fixed crash on trying to exchange ships between 2 fleets. - Fixed crash on spamming move orders to puckle guns locked in melee combat. - Fixed hard lock on inviting host to their own MP game. - Fix to prevent loading of mod causing crash post patch. - Various end turn crash bugs fixed. - Fixes to crash bugs relating to completion of revolutions. - Some fixes relating to merging and disbanding. - Fix for several crashes in land battles. - Several crashes relating to attacking cities fixed. - Several load save game crashes fixed. CAMPAIGN - Armies now placed correctly on battlefields in relation to campaign. - Fix for nearby ships sometimes not being included as reinforcements for battles. - Fix for incorrect numbers sometimes showing on trade routes. - Units with limits on how many can be recruited now show how many are available. - Various fixes relating to rakes and infiltrating. - Fixes relating to problems moving armies/merging into army's right next to settlements. - Various trade bug fixes. - Fix for moving agent from settlement moving army instead of agent. - Fix for several bugs relating to military access and armies being in regions. - Fix for tattered flags appearing on fleet/armies even when at full strength/fully repaired. - Fix for sallying out armies breaking siege at times even when losing the battle. - Fix for bugs relating to capturing ships on returning to campaign map from naval battle. LAND BATTLE - Improvements to path finding have been made. - Some fixes to units not garrisoning buildings. - Fort gate ownership made clearer with faction flags appearing at the gatehouse. - Fix for problem relating to artillery unlimbering after being ordered to limber. - Fix for puckle guns moving on their own in some circumstances. - Fix for big slowdown in unit movement on some battle maps in the Road to Independence episodes. - Fix for missile cavalry not reloading when out of combat. - Jaegers now have muskets instead of incorrect rifles, Prussian Jaegers keep rifles. - Quebec episodic land battle fixed ground type in deployment area - Fix for unrealistic numbers when ending a land battle by quitting on the battle results screen. NAVAL BATTLE - Several fixes for ships clipping into each other. - Improvements to boarding have been made. Crew is more fluid in attack and more resolute in defence. Men survive long fall and officers join in the boarding attack. - Crew uniforms improved to make identification of the crew type and faction easier. - Defending ship is not allowed to fire cannons anymore during boarding procedure. - Improved naval grouping UI and group movement made. - Improvements made to ship collisions to reduce chance of ships getting stuck. - Fix for sail damage not being shown when volumetric effects turned on. MULTIPLAYER - Various fixes for joining games/game lobby issues. - Fixes for problems relating to spectators being kicked/locking up on other players joining games in certain instances. - Long riflemen and winged hussars removed from early era battles. - Fix for insufficient funds always showing on unit cards even when enough money is available. - Player name is now displayed on unit tooltips. - Team chat is now displayed in a different colour. AI - Basic fix for AI being unable to move army by fleet. - Aggression of factions in campaign improved, as well as tweaks to diplomacy. - Improvements to campaign AI relating to its waging of wars, recruitment and movement of armies. - Improvements made to battle AI to make it more reactive, use buildings better as well as squares and rakes. - Siege battle AI improvements made. - Improvements to naval AI to make it bunch up less, its use of galleys and long range units such as bomb ketches. MISCELLANEOUS - Delete save game button added to save game list. - View replays button added to single player Play Battle menu. - Various sound fixes and improvements. - Various incorrect text messages fixed. - Fixes to various graphical glitches with display of walls. - Fixes made for stuttering videos. - Fix for several game option settings not being saved correctly, including settings such as floating flags. - Fix for unit voices/attack confirmation being heard for all units in an alliance instead of just for the player's army. - Armour and shield values are now added into melee defence value shown on unit cards. - Lots of other small and minor bug fixes. BALANCING - Land unit recruitment cost in campaign has been increased, with higher cost on higher difficulty level. - Ship recruitment and upkeep costs have been increased in campaign. - Various balancing and cost adjustments to improve multiplayer land battle balance. - Ship costing improvements made for both campaign and multiplayer. - Economic tweaks have been made to campaign to reduce amount of money made in later part of campaign. EXTRA NOTE: - We are aware of an issue with community created maps that results in a crash when someone without the map tries to join the game. This crash will be fixed in the next patch. - Further work is being done on improving AI Naval invasion behaviour and this will be included in the next upgrade patch. - Please also note that this update is save game compatible but you should start a new game to see all of the benefits. - For consistancy with the build number, I will now be refering to the latest update as version 1.2, rather than Update 3. For those wondering, 1.1 represents the previous updates we have released.
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DJProsser		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 25 05/03/09 20:44:59	Good to see CA have been working hard to fix various problems. I will try to do a screenie of the next naval invasion I see. cheers David Prosser
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