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Stiffneck	BI: WRE- Economy		Lead	[-]
Posts: 8 07/21/08 16:23:21	Tags : roman, empire, economy, invasion, barbarian, western, wre Hi all, I have honestly looked for help on this subject and not found it. When playing WRE in Barbarian Invasion, I reach deficit of -$60,000 within a few turns. I am an experienced RTW player and just bought BI so it is new to me - what should be done differently to create income? After the 'rebellion' and all the towns that I have left are showing -$5,000 to -$20,000 per turn, I have been trying to pillage as many towns as possible, but my armies run out before I ever become profitable again. I have restarted a few different times to try different things but nothing works. The only thing I haven't done is cull some of my armies - but I don't think that would help. What I really need to know is: how do I get any town to become profitable? Right now I am going to play as the Franks to get a feel for the game. If this question is on another board somewhere please point me to it. Last Edited By: Stiffneck 07/21/08 18:26:39. Edited 1 time.
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Stiffneck		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8 07/21/08 19:52:49	It's great that WRE doesn't just give you heaps of cash, powerful units, etc etc. It's been a long time since I had any REAL challenge with this game. Maybe I will take it off h/h ... Here is another question for you: which version/mod of RTW is the most played?
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Parallel Pain		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4095 07/21/08 20:38:45 Administrator	EB, but only two campaigns. as for WRE economy, sell all useless buildings, build buildings only as needed, move all the units you need to the front line and disband the rest voila I wrote a guide. It's buried here somewhere.
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BerserkerBlitz		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1479 07/21/08 20:54:53	just to reiterate because I think it is important, disband all units not absolutely necessary. In cities that won't be attacked I recommend replacing whatever they have with peasants to keep up the public order. Also, because apparently the WRE governors thought it was a good idea to destroy all ports, build them when you start getting money, that will help.
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Stiffneck		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8 07/22/08 00:40:19	Thanks for the tips. Did you play by keeping hold of as much territory as possible? It is odd that a City will go from +2500 one turn, to -5000 the next.
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Parallel Pain		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4095 07/22/08 12:39:06 Administrator	Your army upkeep is distributed throughout your empire for each province to pay. Loosing one province means loosing not only its income but its ability to pay for your army, so more strain is put on your existing cities. So if you suddenly loose lots of province, yes its possible.
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Marly		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7322 07/22/08 13:28:38 Taisho	Making Money: Disband every unit of Foederati Cavalry and Infantry you have at the start of the game, with the exception of the Infantry in Carthago Nova and the units in Salona, these towns need the extra garrison. Train some Limitanei to replace these ASAP. Troop expenditure should be down to below 30,000. I can usually manage around 28,000 on VH without any revolts. These units are just too expensive. Destroy the barracks archery ranges etc in towns away from the front lines. Narrow it down to a few troop producing cities, one major one for each region (France, Italy, Balkans, Carthage and Britain. Maybe Spain also, up to you). This should give you a few thousand to spend on economic buildings. Ports are most important, then roads, then traders. Mines are good but cost a bit too much for the first few turns so wait a while for those. Spend all income from the first two turns on economic buildings, not troops. Preventing Mass Civil War: Make Massilia your capital temporarily. Spain will be much happier as will France.The only cities now which will still cause you a problem are Carthago Nova, Salona, Avaricum and Lepcis Magna. Carthago and Avaricum can be dealt with simply - on the first turn move the garrison out. There will be rioting and several thousand of the population will die, then on turn two move your garrison back in. The smaller population will now be controllable! Salona...just stack units up to build...you can usually train enough in time to stop a revolt. Lepcis Magna is the only city that need revolt. If it does, well, its not the end of the world...just retake it later on. Carnetum (sp?) the Balkan city can be made happy simply by building a pagan temple there so do that also. Following this method i can always retain all but one or two cities from revolt and be making an initial profit of around 6000 a turn. Not loads but enough to get you going. As i said, build roads ports and traders then when you have enough of these build mines. Soon you'll be making 10-15k a turn and start dishing out pain on the barbarians. Last Edited By: Marly 07/22/08 13:30:45. Edited 1 time.
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Stiffneck		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8 07/22/08 17:16:50	Gnarly Marly I will go try that out, awesome post.
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Parallel Pain		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4095 07/22/08 22:47:29 Administrator	I disagree with disbanding cavalry. As cavalry is even more overpowered in BI they are your life saver (as can be found on my guide) Found it http://shoguntotalwar.yuku.com/topic/15924 Though it was written before Saka Rauka campaign so there might be some things I haven't learned yet. Last Edited By: Parallel Pain 07/22/08 22:50:47. Edited 1 time.
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Marly		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7322 07/23/08 04:29:47 Taisho	Cavalry are good yes but Foedaerati units are just too expensive for what you get IMO...their upkeep is around 350 a turn and theres not enough men to contribute to keeping order which is the Number 1 priority. I keep hold of the Sarmatian units, they're very handy in a fight but the Foederati are unnecessary. Guess it depends on your fighting style. As long as i can get a few units of Comitanses to the front line to sure up the Limitanei/Archer bridge heads (easy enough in France, Avaricum is full of them!) the Barbarians are never much of a problem. The only place the cavalry is definately needed is the Balkans where the hordes appear and you have next to no troops. Once the army from Rome has made it to the Balkans though with 6+ Comintanses and you have the money to recruit Sarmatians there nothing should ever get past the bridges. But then having read your guide you couldn't be further from myself, the Heavy Infantry fanatic, in your fighting style!
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Volksie		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3361 07/23/08 04:47:34	If I had to choose a style I would say I tend to lean towards PP. When the cavalry is as strong as it is and has the added mobility bonus you can't go past them.
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Stiffneck		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8 07/23/08 16:42:47	Thanks PP I read your guide, I will apply it next time around and let you know how I go.
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