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Nabukadnezar	Otto Guide for optimal play in the Grand Campaign - Become invincible in just a few turns without cheating!		Lead	[-]
Posts: 10 05/10/09 11:15:57	Tags : help, tutorial, guide, ottoman, otto Download PDF with version 0.3 of the guide from here: http://www.archive.org/details/OttomanGuideForOptimalPlayInTheGrandCampaignAtEmpireTotalWar- The advantage of the PDF version is that it's better formated and you can see the images. Otto Guide for optimal play in the Grand Campaign: become invincible in just a few turns without cheating! by Elite Nabukadnezar - version 0.3 - TURN 1 1) Government → Policies → Set the Nobility Tax slider to the 4th level Exempt all regions from taxes except Syria (because they have no more towns to grow). You do this by opening the region settlement details for let's say Moldavia, click on the "Exempt region from taxes" check-box then cycle to the next region and do the same. 2) Government → Ministers → Replace with the following: Head: Hazif Halim Treasury: Carhaq Hamdi Army: Sakizli Hoca 3) Research & Technology → Bring scholar Meshur Dede to the school of Konya Research Philosophy → Empiricism 4) Diplomacy (Very important: set the treaties in this order!!!) Austria → Offer Indefinite Military Access; Demand 2300 (do not cancel their right in order to resell it a few times until they got no money and can't accept even if they only have to pay 1 Gold; that would be cheating) Prussia → Offer Trade Agreement; Accept w/e payment they request (440) Great Britain → Offer Indefinite Military Access & Trade Agreement; Demand 7500 Maratha Confederacy → Offer Trade Agreement; Demand 1000, Accept 750 Maratha Confederacy, Mughal Empire, United Provinces → Offer Indefinite Military Access; Demand 2400 Poland-Lithuania → Offer Trade Agreement Poland-Lithuania → Offer Indefinite Military Access; Demand 3800 Spain → Offer Indefinite Military Access; Demand 7000 Sweden → Offer Indefinite Military Access; Demand 7000 Barbary States → Offer Indefinite Military Access; Demand 9000 Bavaria → Offer Indefinite Military Access; Demand 7500 Cherokee Nations → Offer Indefinite Military Access; Demand 2400 Courland, Crimean Khanate → Offer Indefinite Military Access; Demand 7500 Dagestan → Offer Indefinite Military Access; Demand 4800 Denmark → Offer Trade Agreement & Indefinite Military Access; Demand 8000 Genoa, Georgia, Hannover → Offer Indefinite Military Access; Demand 7500 Huron Confederacy, Inuit Nations, Iroquois Confederation → Offer Indefinite Military Access; Demand 2400 Italian States → Offer Indefinite Military Access; Demand 4400 Knights of St John → Offer Indefinite Military Access; Demand 4800 Louisiana → Offer Trade Agreement & Indefinite Military Access; Demand 4400 Morocco → Offer Indefinite Military Access; Demand 9000 Mysore → Offer Indefinite Military Access; Demand 2400 New Spain → Offer Trade Agreement & Indefinite Military Access; Demand 4600 Persia → Offer Indefinite Military Access; Demand 8000 Plains Nations → Offer Indefinite Military Access; Demand 2400 Portugal → Offer Indefinite Military Access; Demand 7500 Pueblo Nations → Offer Indefinite Military Access; Demand 2400 Savoy → Offer Trade Agreement & Indefinite Military Access; Demand 7500 Saxony → Offer Indefinite Military Access; Demand 7500 Venice → Cancel Trade Agreement Thirteen Colonies → Offer Trade Agreement & Indefinite Military Access; Demand 5100 Venice → Offer Indefinite Military Access; Demand 5100 Westphalia, Wurtemberg → Offer Indefinite Military Access; Demand 7500 France → Offer 8500; Demand Technology → Physiocracy France → Offer Indefinite Military Access; Demand 9600 Prussia → Offer 6900; Demand Technology → Plug Bayonet Prussia → Offer Indefinite Military Access; Demand 9600) Austria, Dagestan, Georgia, Italian States, Knights of St John, Venice, Persia → Cancel Indefinite Military Access agreement (this is optional, it has almost no ingame effect) You should have 212810 Gold now. 5) Destroy these ports (we will build trading ports instead next turn): - Limassol and Latakia (Syria) - Gaza (Palestine) 6) Click on any town then cycle through all of them, upgrading where possible, with these exceptions which you will destroy in order to build more schools next turn: - Mosul (Mesopotania) - Podgorica (Bosnia) - Luxor (Egypt) - Erzurum (Anatolia) 7) Click on any region capital then cycle through all of them with the infrastructure tab on, upgrading where possible. Then cycle again at the construction tab, upgrading everything, including fortifications, except for barracks and cannon foundries on the following: - Jerusalem - Damascus Also do not upgrade the fortifications in Jerusalem and Istanbul because it's too expensive. 8) Recruit the following military forces: - 6x Azzars from Athens - 4x Azzars + 2x Camel Nomads from Baghdad - 9x Isarelys from Istanbul - 5x Camel Nomads from Cairo - 4x 9-lber Artillery from Ankara - 1X Desert Warriors from Damascus - 1X Desert Warriors from Jerusalem 9) Build FOUR (!!!) brigs in EACH of these ports: - Thessaloniki (Rumelia) - Piraeus (Greece) - Izmir (Anatolia) - Antalia (Anatolia) These will form our Mediterranean-Adriatic Ownage Fleet and will guard our trade routes here, while also destroying all other enemy fleets (for example the pathetic ships of Venice). It will also provide help in conquering North Africa, which is a near objective. 10). Advance with the army of Baltaci Mehmet towards Yerevan. After merging with a few reinforcements he will conquer Georgia with the help of our hashishin near Tbilisi (he will assassinate Lazaros Kouretas - general - in the second turn). After that our great Eastern army will invade Dagestan, Cherkassk (Russia) and others. 11) Move the Tunuslu Fleet near Istanbul. They will help us move reinforcements faster. 12) Move admiral's Liberakis fleet near Varna (second village north-west of Istanbul). Load the army of Damat Aali and the regiments from Sofia, Fort Hunedoara and Belgrade into the ships (in this order). Now for the amazing twist... THEY WILL CONQUER OUR PROTECTORATE, THE CRIMEAN KHANATE, IN THE SECOND TURN!!! After that they will move on and conquer Moscow! Blitz war! I know you weren't expecting that. We don't need any allies because we'll become too strong to soon. Sweden might have been of great help, maybe the only one worth mentioning. TURN 2 1) Build trading ports in: - Limassol and Latakia (Syria) - Gaza (Palestine) 2) Build schools in: - Podgorica (Bosnia) - Luxor (Egypt) - Erzurum (Anatolia) - Mosul (Mesopotania) 3) Finish loading the last 3 armies in Liberakis' fleet then attack with this the Sevastopol trading port! (near the capital of Crimea). Declare war but do not call the allies for help. After the port is conquered, select it and go to the Navy tab. Click the disembark button and transfer all the army to the port garrison. Then go to the army tab and select all the units (EXCEPT THE SINGLE ONE WITH TOO FEW MOVING POINTS, THE LAST MUSELIM MOB THAT WAS LOADED ON THE SHIPS. SAVE THE GAME BEFORE THIS SO YOU WON'T DO IT WRONG) and attack Bakhchisaray!!! I auto-calculated the battle and lost 63 units. Replenish the damaged regiments, repair the Military Governor's Encampment, build fortifications and upgrade the infrastructure. Repair the port. Send the muselim mob remaining in the port to the province capital. It will get there next turn. Exempt the Crimea region from taxes. 4) Send 2x Azzars from Baghdad to Yerevan (they will get there next turn) Send 3x Isarelys from Istambul to Iasi (they will get there next turn) Send 2x Isarelys + 2x Azzars from Athens to Belgrade (they will get there next turn) Send the Desert Warriors from Damascus and Jerusalem to Baghdad 5) Assasinate the general from Tbilisi (this should work 100% of the time, even if it says 30%). Get out of the fortress after the deed is done and head towards Tarki (Dagestan). 6) Move the Limberakis fleet near Istambul and merge to it the Tunuslu Fleet Unite your four new brigs under a new Admiral at south of Athens, at the intersection of trading routers. 7) Government → Ministers → Replace with the following: Head: Baltaci Rusdi [...] This guide is still under development. I started playing Empire Total War this morning. I hope you guys will give me some feedback and some new ideas for the first turn and the following turns (which I will finish writing soon). I also hope lots of people will learn to play Empire Total War optimally from my guide. My purpose at all strategy games has always been to find the perfect strategy that can not fail in any aspect whatsoever. Please excuse my bad English as this is not my native language. Why did I choose Otto? It's the nation with most provinces and the hardest to manage. Have Fun! Last Edited By: Nabukadnezar 05/10/09 19:23:25. Edited 6 times.
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nazmuss		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 46 05/10/09 11:21:00	Great guide, yeah to me Ottoman empire is the hardest, but not the biggest IMO. But has great potential.
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lkman13		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 308 05/10/09 11:21:40	What difficulty ??
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Nabukadnezar		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10 05/10/09 11:24:23	Normal on both
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nazmuss		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 46 05/10/09 11:26:06	If you gave a guide on VH/VH then you would have been a master
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lkman13		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 308 05/10/09 11:26:56	Will try this tomorrow then as every time i have played the ottomans i have failed terribly
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nazmuss		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 46 05/10/09 11:29:14	Ofcourse the Ottoman empire has vast number of enemies from every corner, no wonder why.
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Nabukadnezar		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10 05/10/09 11:29:30	To be honest I don't even know the differences between VH and normal but this might work at VH too. If those modes are realistic I will try this buildup at VH too.
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Nabukadnezar		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10 05/10/09 12:39:08	Updated turn 1.
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Nabukadnezar		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10 05/10/09 19:22:31	I just uploaded a PDF version which is better formated and contains images. Get it from here: http://www.archive.org/details/OttomanGuideForOptimalPlayInTheGrandCampaignAtEmpireTotalWar-
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CarlWeathersBicep		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 266 05/11/09 02:14:13	I've managed to get the Ottomans to 25ish territories by 1740 on VH/VH. Your method of selling military access is cunning, but its basically an exploit so can't say I approve. Its not necessary anyway, you just have to pick your fights carefully. Crimea can be a useful ally too (if they're not wiped out in the first war with Russia), in my current game they've kept the Russian's distracted a lot of the time, even taking territory off them. So I wouldn't attack them. The major European nations that attack you - Austria, Poland, Russia - can all be persuaded to accept peace terms pretty quickly after they've declared war - destroy their first attack, hopefully grab a territory off them, then offer peace with some cash if necessary. Also Morocco will probably attack the Barbary states, but stay out of that one - on VH you can't afford any naval force early on, so the only way to protect your trade fleets (which are crucial to your income) is to not get into a war with any naval states if you can help it. The tricky nations are Georgia, Dagestan and Persia, because as minor nations the current AI simply wont accept peace, so once they attack, which they will, they wont let up until you destroy them. So focus on them whilst constantly persuing peace with the major players. At one point when I was just getting into a position to finish Persia, Russia attacked (again). I gave them Dagestan in exchange for peace, an alliance, and 3k. They broken the alliance with another attack about 6 turns later, but by then Persia was crushed and I could focus on Russia. It does help when playing as the Ottomans if you have the Special Forces pack - you start with the Organ Gun, which although is fixed on the battlefield, and takes ages to load, does fire about two dozen canon balls in one volley - brilliant for taking out cavalry. The other key tactic, especially early game, is recruit loads of janissaries. They might only be melee units, but they're half the price of your rifle units, and better at hand to hand. Value wise, they're one of the best units in the game. Other star units are grenadiers - flank them around your enemy and spam them with grenades from the sides, and later the handheld grenade launchers, which are the same but with better range. Ottoman's cavarly are pretty @%*%, but train some camel units just to mop up raiding parties, or even better to raid enemy territory so they have to waste their time chasing you rather than vice versa.
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macmert		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 562 05/11/09 02:25:06	What about the west? What do you suggest we do about austria and poland lithuania???(spelling???)
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CarlWeathersBicep		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 266 05/11/09 02:55:12	Austria and Poland both attacked me a couple of times early on but, like I said, they usually agree to peace pretty quick. Early on you may lose a territory or two to them, but as long as you hold Rumelia its not too disasterous. I found that after the first few years they both got involved in other wars, either with each other or Prussia, and since then they haven't bothered me. This may be just down to the current AI flaws which mean the AI factions never agree to ceasefires with one another. Suits me fine anyway! It might help early on if you can get Britain, Sweden or France to ally with you, but I couldn't - even offered the French military access, and 4 techs, but no deal. In my current turn (1740ish) I got them into an alliance finally, by giving them one of Russia's %%%% backwater territories in exchange - it wasn't worth the military garrison it needed. Time will tell if the French are of any use to me. Early on you could try offering France a territory that borders Poland or Austria, in exchange for an alliance - that should prevent the attacks (though didn't try this myself). Do what you can to hold the Europeans off, whether through military or diplomatic means, but focus on Georgia first, then Dagestan and Persia. Once you've beated them, and have a few trade fleets in place, you should be in a stable position and able to deal with anyone. It does seem that the AI on VH is set up to have at least two other factions fighting you at anytime. I don't think I've had peace for a single turn so far. The only flank I haven't been attacked on is North Africa, thanks to the Barbary States acting as a buffer. Only other tip I can think of right now is early on destroy one of your towns in Rumelia or Anatolia and build a second university there, otherwise you'll get left behind tech wise.
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Amilcar Barca		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1112 05/11/09 04:00:35	I consider selling military access a kind of cheating. I know this is controversial, but it´s what I think. If you take adventage of the AI stupidness I think it´s a kind of cheating. Your guide is based on the ridicoulous amount of money you get selling military access (why would Lousiana, New Spain, Hannover... and so many nations pay to get military access to the Ottoman Empire?), I would like a guide that would´n´t take adventage of AIs lack of intelligence. PS. You can say that the lack of AIs intelligence is troughtout the game, so, from my point of view, everything should be considered cheating, however, the thing is that, even in battles or campaing, the Ai manages to make some more or less inteligent things, even if the AI is far from being like that of a human, but in the diplomacy, especially when selling military access, the AI is totally broken. Last Edited By: Amilcar Barca 05/11/09 04:06:42. Edited 1 time.
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Nabukadnezar		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10 05/11/09 04:35:09	CarlWeathersBicep wrote: It might help early on if you can get Britain, Sweden or France to ally with you, but I couldn't - even offered the French military access, and 4 techs, but no deal. In my current turn (1740ish) I got them into an alliance finally, by giving them one of Russia's %%%% backwater territories in exchange - it wasn't worth the military garrison it needed. Time will tell if the French are of any use to me. I'm sorry but that's a horrible idea. Why would you offer technology to a major nation? I stand by my idea that with optimal play you don't need any allies. They'll be easy to get anyway in turn 4 or 5 when the reputation of the country will be HUGE already (5 schools, a billion trading ports, big fleet & army, no defeats on the russian fronts, two nations already conquered, most technologies etc) Amilcar Barca wrote: I consider selling military access a kind of cheating. I know this is controversial, but it´s what I think. If you take adventage of the AI stupidness I think it´s a kind of cheating. Your guide is based on the ridicoulous amount of money you get selling military access (why would Lousiana, New Spain, Hannover... and so many nations pay to get military access to the Ottoman Empire?), I would like a guide that would´n´t take adventage of AIs lack of intelligence. PS. You can say that the lack of AIs intelligence is troughtout the game, so, from my point of view, everything should be considered cheating, however, the thing is that, even in battles or campaing, the Ai manages to make some more or less inteligent things, even if the AI is far from being like that of a human, but in the diplomacy, especially when selling military access, the AI is totally broken. To make it more realistic in my mind I consider that I'm also selling all the maps that I have to them (like it was possible in Europa Universalis) and that I would have been an economic genius if I ruled in that time period with the mind that I have now (which is true).
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CarlWeathersBicep		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 266 05/11/09 07:01:53	Nabukadnezar wrote: I'm sorry but that's a horrible idea. Why would you offer technology to a major nation? I stand by my idea that with optimal play you don't need any allies. They'll be easy to get anyway in turn 4 or 5 when the reputation of the country will be HUGE already (5 schools, a billion trading ports, big fleet & army, no defeats on the russian fronts, two nations already conquered, most technologies etc) Errr..... Why would I offer technology to another nation in exchange for an alliance? How about because it is a reasonable, realistic action? Selling military access to every other nation in the game is, however, not realistic in the least, and is simply ruthlessly exploiting an AI flaw. I give you credit for coming up with the ruse, but as for a 'guide' to how to win, you might have well have just published a cheat code. Winning that way is no different than opening up the pack files and editing all your unit stats so they're invincible. If you can justify it to yourself then great, enjoy it, but to me its cheap, and its cheating. PS: even with your exploit, how exactly do you get 'most technologies' in 4 or 5 turns? Last Edited By: CarlWeathersBicep 05/11/09 07:04:46. Edited 2 times.
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Nabukadnezar		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10 05/11/09 08:10:57	no need to exaggerate. your idea was horrible however you put it. anyway, we already have two new techs in the first turn (one from Prussia and the other from France), so we actually start with most technologies. then it's easy to trade for others in the next turns as they become developed or better yet steal them, plus we'll have FIVE SCHOOLS which will soon be upgraded
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CarlWeathersBicep		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 266 05/11/09 08:24:48	LOL. Seriously, if you're so good at pretending to yourself that you haven't cheated your way to victory, why not just edit the game files? Give yourself 500k to start with. That way you could soon have TEN SCHOOLS. Brilliant! Your empty victory can come even sooner!
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EQ Police.ascension10244		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2 05/24/09 15:37:49	i don't like it .. seems to much like a cheat to me .. unrealistic to give full military access to all those countries on turn 1. i have had total war empire a week, played it for two weekends .. i have played all the total war games though since shogun first came out .. i play the ottman empire .. i am not far into the game but i have been very successful so far .. my first priorities on turn one were trade ships, sending units to reinforce the austrain front , disrupt russia on the eastern front, and preparing to take georgia .. i sent three trade ships from the mediterranean and two from the gulf .. by that time i could not afford to spend any more on fleets . my first and second turns i reinforced the austrian front by sending the units from bulgaria first turn and units from istanbul second turn and future turns staggering with russian front .. .. by turn seven i have captured georgia, completely reinforced austria so that i received no attacks from austria or lithuania since they ended up at war with each other, totally neutralized russia by sending a small force to take kharkov and the nearby farm and defeating kievs main army in the kharnate, this has left russia completely neutralized on that front with kiev wide open for attack with nothing but militia holding it .. i am on turn nine with persia just declared war and i must decide whether to push into dagestan or persia, and also whether to capture kiev or going into austria .. i will probably try for kiev since they are wide open and weakened by my occupying kharkov and the nearby farm, and i will likely go for dagestan since they think parking their army on my georgia border is such a friendly thing to do, they will have to be neautralized before my persian campaign begins .. i will set up for persia and austria campaigns during these two offensives . this strategy has so far worked well for me although my infrastructure has built very slowly due to the large armies required on austrian front and my two offensive fronts .. however, with the capture of georgia i finally have some breathing room for income now .. i think the capture of kiev in the ukraine and the fall of dagestan will seal austria and persia's fate in the coming turns .. edit: sorry all for some reason my account is messed up .. -- samurai shoganite Last Edited By: EQ Police 05/24/09 15:52:28. Edited 4 times.
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GSC		#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2193 05/24/09 23:22:11	In 1st turn also start to train brigs in Persian Gulf (Baghdad), so Persia will not block your trade routes, also it's good to start create Dhows from there (Send them to Indonesia) My favorite faction isOttoman Empire.
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erebrus		#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 20 05/25/09 00:04:49	Spaming military access offers for money is an exploit, not as much offering and then taking it back, but still an exploit. It probably also works in VH/VH, except that the battles might be more difficult.
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