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bubbablahmon	Newly Independent Nations		Lead	[-]
Posts: 53 05/13/09 10:52:18	Tags : diplomacy, independence, united states, new factions, new nations, new countries, emerging factions, emerging nations, mexico, gran columbia, penalties, territorial expansion It irks me that when colonies break off from their mother countries (eg. United States, Mexico, Gran Columbia, Afghanistan, Scotland, Ireland, etc.) they retain the feelings of the mother country in diplomacy (eg. territorial expansion penalties, war). I think that this needs to be altered, so that when a colony become an independent nation the player's relationship with that new nation is similar to the start of the game (only historical friendships/grievances, religious differences, government type, etc.). The reason being that the new country has just fought the mother country for its independence (or was liberated by the destruction of the mother country). So, an enemy of my enemy is my friend, and should, therefore, not be hostile to the current or former enemies as default.
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sirandrew1		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 117 05/13/09 11:01:21	I agree, look at the U.S.S.R's demise, all of its satellite states went to America for help, they didn't all declare war on us (with a few exceptions).
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bubbablahmon		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 53 05/13/09 13:31:20	and even with the united states... the us declared independence and was allies with france... britain's eternal enemy.
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neferator		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 13 05/13/09 14:39:52	One thing I have noticed that I think is a bit odd... in my current game at least, when the US and Quebec have emerged, they both dislike me for 'assassination attempts'. This is weird as I have never tried to assassinate anyone in this game at all! I just can't be bothered with it :) It does seem weird though that the new countries seem to mostly mirror the feelings of their parent nation... in my game the US never even went to war with GB for about 15 years! (how is this even possible?!).
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BETHENCOURT		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 193 05/13/09 15:21:48	Hi! Playing Spain, Pueblo Nation conquered Nueva España and then México got independient from them. If I was one of those mexincans I would be very confused about my feelings. It would be logical that they were in war against Pueblo Nation, but instead of that they declared war to spanish protectorates. 'Ceterum censeo carthaginem esse delendam' wich in English means 'By the way, I think playing the game with protectorates should be optional'
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TheDiplomat090		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 451 05/13/09 18:16:46	my understanding from inspection is that emergent nations accrue all of your penalties that youve gained through the whole game until they emerge. example: I allowed ireland to emerge late in the game, they had a territorial expansion penalty of 500 something against me. That makes no sense until you realize that that is the TOTAL amount of penalty i had recieved up till that point, even though all other nations penalty towards me faded long ago. So i tried emerging Scotland later on, and lo and behold a 700 something territorial expansion penalty. So you see, ANY penalties you gained before a nation emerged, that nation pops up with that total. very very sad :( This problem is in My Big Diplomacy Wishlist!
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Kendall88		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 614 05/26/09 13:50:33	I had USA come into my game at year 1705. I was playing as GB and it was shortly before the 13 colonies became mine. anyone else had them this early
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kcole4001		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 58 05/26/09 14:00:56	I had them show up pretty early. 1730 quite often, usually just in the province (state) of Maine. Also earlier as well.
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kcole4001		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 58 05/26/09 14:02:35	On a similar note, when a country is destroyed, their attitude is reset at neutral.
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chronico		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 239 05/27/09 01:13:37	i think the earliest i sen the USA emerge was the 2nd turn into a new campaign as the ottomans was crazy by turn 10 i was freindly and tradeing with em/giving em army tech to fend of the british lol.
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AviramG		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1575 05/27/09 08:28:26	I think newly emerging factions are just bugged. They seem to inherit all the affinities from the 'mother state'
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TheDiplomat090		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 451 05/27/09 13:19:44	Diplomacy wishlist has this : http://shoguntotalwar.yuku.com/topic/56321 and the locations of these nations is : http://shoguntotalwar.yuku.com/topic/56666?page=1
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Geronimo2006		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 596 05/27/09 17:34:32	This is very true, notably with respect to Ireland which you would expect to be pally with Britain's enemies (as indeed Irish rebels had to be to stand any chance of success). A patch should modify the Diplomacy AI so that a newly independent country will be at least not hostile to enemies of its former imperial masters.
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Elyrioth		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2809 05/28/09 00:29:18 Post-Captain	Yes French troops were involved in the 1798 rebellion in Ireland. One thing that is annoying is that the rebel factions seem to keep all the attributes including dialog of there parent country, so we get the USA shouting for the crown etc..... The emergents seem to be skin changes, that's it
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TheDeadeye27		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 39 05/28/09 11:41:29	AviramG wrote: I think newly emerging factions are just bugged. They seem to inherit all the affinities from the 'mother state' And they are never at war with the country they broke off from....and rarely do anything to really expand aggressively once they emerge.... They just wait to be swallowed up again. Lots of improvement needed in that one but it's been suggested months before.
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Mjr Richard Sharpe		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 178 05/28/09 14:47:00	I think it should really have an option to recognise the new country or not (it sort of does mention it on the new country pop up, just you cant actually say either way) Would be nice if a country does emerge if you could refuse to recognise it (and instantly start off at war.) Likewise there should be a positive benefit for recognising its sovereignty, for example if the USA emerge and I am playing as Britain I want to be able to say no I dont except you are a country. Likewise say new spain emerges, I'd like the option to say yea well done lads, we recognise you. and get a better starting relationship (rather than them disliking me from the off because I was at war with Spain)
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Mike lps		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 476 06/18/09 02:04:19	Mjr Richard Sharpe wrote: I think it should really have an option to recognise the new country or not (it sort of does mention it on the new country pop up, just you cant actually say either way) Would be nice if a country does emerge if you could refuse to recognise it (and instantly start off at war.) Likewise there should be a positive benefit for recognising its sovereignty, for example if the USA emerge and I am playing as Britain I want to be able to say no I dont except you are a country. Likewise say new spain emerges, I'd like the option to say yea well done lads, we recognise you. and get a better starting relationship (rather than them disliking me from the off because I was at war with Spain) Totally agree, especially i had mexican and columbian breakouts when they conquered MY lands and killed MY militias in it i had also to say "YES" and recognize them as a country....blasphemy! They didn't survive long due to my fury.
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Davius		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 922 06/18/09 02:48:44	Kendall88 wrote: I had USA come into my game at year 1705. I was playing as GB and it was shortly before the 13 colonies became mine. anyone else had them this early Yep 1705. Lame.
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TasteMaker		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 105 06/18/09 08:10:04	This will all be fixed in the upcoming patch, NOT
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